Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 20:43, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto: detail is needed to make it look gorgeus, is that enough? if you don't need a gorgeous icon theme that's ok, but don't blame for ever. Aren't you going to use hi-color anyway? it would look nice and 512x512 if the goal was you being able to read the dumb text I wrote inside. But that's not the purpose. The goal is to make it look like real text. Getting sick of this discussion which is pointless, since we already told the world we care about small resolutions. David Vignoni, davidoxygen-icons.org OXYGEN icon theme director and designer ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Too much detail is detail that is not well rendered in even 128x128 pixel images. While it should be obvious that such detail is unneeded, the specific problem is that this makes the icon look fuzzy and reduces the contrast and spatial frequency information (acuity). Yes the large icons look nice at 512x512 pixels, but icons need to be designed to be viewed at the common sizes of 32x32 and 48x48 pixels. Some icons (for specific reasons) need to be hand optimized for those sizes. But, in general, Icons should be designed to look good at 32x32 and 48x48 if possible. They certainly should look good at 64x64 pixels

A Tuesday 15 May 2007 16:25:04, James Richard Tyrer escreveu: I must say that i dont get your point most of the times also! Nuno Pinheiro

SVN commit 665008 by vignoni: new version speech audio file M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M +1051 -839 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.svg M +1053 -521 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-x-speex+ogg.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

hello david, i think better would be if the text would flow around the big red "L" and not let it going above the smaller text. just my two tents luci David Vignoni wrote: luci

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Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 10:35, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto: this was not an insult, did I insulted you any way? Don't think I have used a bad language against you? Your icon was really old style and not compatible with the oxygen icon theme, I wanted to emphasize that. yes, it was me, the art director of the project for the icon part. Is this important regarding what are the issues here? In fact I think that the icon at >32x32 size *must* be detailed icons. I also said that the small icons will have special versions which are not done right now. For this reason you should talk about that issue only when you see the small icons when they will be availble. Current 16x16, 22x22 and 32x32 most are placeholders. James, reading the concerns Robert is explaining above, in which way do you think that icon you attached fix the pale colours he is talking about. Comparing your icon to the rest of the mimetypes, where everything has a more realistic look and feel, I may think this is a sheet with some lines drawed on it, because it doesn't look like real text. The "lines" as "text" approach is for small icons, like 16x16. I know I already told you many times there will be versions for the small sizes, but since you still reference the current placeholder icons, here you can see a new version of the text mimetype as complete set, inlcuding optimized 16x16 and 32x32 version: David Vignoni David Vignoni, davidoxygen-icons.org OXYGEN icon theme director and designer ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

This is a migrating discussion. It started on KDEArtist and moved over here. Don't know. The remark is on the other list. IIUC, it was from a major contributor. No, he thinks that there is nothing wrong with the highly detailed icons. The colors become pale as they are mixed with the background color. So, as a better illustration, I made a Oxygen style icon [attached] which is rendered in 64x64. Compare this with the 6x64 Oxygen from SVN. Note that even in 64x64 that this is blurred. The text in the actual Oxygen icon is black (000000) with 80% opacity which is actually darker than the lines representing text in my icon (9B9B9B). However, this 80% black is mixed with the background color and results in a lighter shade in the rasterized image. The smaller the size, the lighter it gets. I note that with the similar HiColor icons that I needed to make hand optimized PNGs for 48x48 and smaller to maintain the contrast.

SVN commit 664854 by vignoni: new version of midi mime M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M +3111 -2164 scalable/mimetypes/audio-midi.svg M +2490 -530 scalable/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-midi.svg M +2176 -256 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-prs.sid.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664444 by vignoni: new version M 128x128/mimetypes/info.png M 16x16/mimetypes/info.png M 22x22/mimetypes/info.png M 32x32/mimetypes/info.png M 48x48/mimetypes/info.png M 64x64/mimetypes/info.png M +473 -1160 scalable/mimetypes/info.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/info.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664442 by vignoni: fixing document sheet M 128x128/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 128x128/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M +202 -802 scalable/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.svg M +215 -171 scalable/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.svg M +688 -636 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/image-svg+xml-compressed.svg M +115 -66 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/image-svg+xml.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664439 by vignoni: changing shadow M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M +73 -141 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.svg M +154 -121 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-deb.svg M +168 -57 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.svg M +85 -107 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg M +16 -15 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-tar.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663958 by vignoni: archives mime M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M +1411 -3876 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.svg M +1294 -1274 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-deb.svg M +1224 -1263 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.svg M +824 -688 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg M +1281 -3876 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-tar.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663865 by vignoni: new version rpm. showing the new "package" icon inside the sheet. M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M +1210 -1280 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/application-x-rpm.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663289 by vignoni: new version M 128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M +2734 -322 scalable/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663159 by dmiller: small versions M 16x16/devices/joystick.png M 22x22/devices/joystick.png A scalable/devices/small/16x16/joystick.svg A scalable/devices/small/22x22/joystick.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663153 by pinheiro: krita should have a mimetype :) AM 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png A scalable/mimetypes/application-x-krita.svg ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/128x128/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/16x16/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/22x22/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/32x32/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/48x48/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/64x64/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

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SVN commit 663063 by pinheiro: new version mostly d-millers work now we have 2 image types M 128x128/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M +13588 -346 scalable/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663000 by dmiller: new joystick device icon AM 128x128/devices/joystick.png D 16x16/apps/kontact-journal.png M 16x16/devices/joystick.png M 22x22/devices/joystick.png M 32x32/devices/joystick.png M 48x48/devices/joystick.png M 64x64/devices/joystick.png M +1624 -1903 scalable/devices/joystick.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists