SVN commit 666289 by vignoni: microphone improved by Marco Aurélio "Coré" M 128x128/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M 16x16/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M 22x22/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M 32x32/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M 48x48/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M 64x64/devices/audio-input-microphone.png M +4101 -4679 scalable/devices/audio-input-microphone.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 666254 by johann_ol: improved png ones M 128x128/actions/games-difficult.png M 16x16/actions/games-difficult.png M 22x22/actions/games-difficult.png M 32x32/actions/games-difficult.png M 48x48/actions/games-difficult.png M 64x64/actions/games-difficult.png ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 666246 by pinheiro: teeked version M +50 -47 games-difficult.svg --- trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/scalable/actions/games-difficult.svg #666245:666246 -21,8 +21,8 xml:space="preserve" sodipodi:version="0.32" inkscape:version="0.45.1" - sodipodi:docname="games-difficulty.svg" - sodipodi:docbase="/home/johann/Developpement/KDE-work/games-difficulty" + sodipodi:docname="games-difficult.svg" + sodipodi:docbase="/home/pinheiro/pics/oxygen/scalable/actions" inkscape:output_extension="org.inkscape.output.svg.inkscape"> -151,32 +151,32 inkscape:collect="always" xlink:href="#linearGradient3291" id="radialGradient14362" - cx="37.026699" - cy="87.74118" - fx="37.026699" - fy="87.74118" + cx="33.15641" + cy="86.424248" + fx="33.15641" + fy="86.424248" r="34.606636" - gradientTransform="matrix(1.6359373,1.6172923e-6,-3.2024111e-7,0.2777922,-23.517816,93.673391)" + gradientTransform="matrix(1.2803795,0,-3.5700904e-8,0.2777922,-11.72882,93.673445)" gradientUnits="userSpaceOnUse" /> -186,13 +186,16 bordercolor="#666666" pagecolor="#ffffff" id="base" - inkscape:zoom="2.921875" - inkscape:cx="80.807118" - inkscape:cy="69.391333" - inkscape:window-x="488" - inkscape:window-y="0" + inkscape:zoom="4.1321553" + inkscape:cx="90.906546" + inkscape:cy="50.383841" + inkscape:window-x="920" + inkscape:window-y="460" inkscape:current-layer="Livello_1" - showgrid="true" /> + showgrid="true" + gridspacingx="4px" + gridspacingy="4px" + gridempspacing="2" /> -2738,49 +2741,49 \ No newline at end of file ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 666159 by johann_ol: add an icon to change the difficulty in games AM 128x128/actions/games-difficult.png AM 16x16/actions/games-difficult.png AM 22x22/actions/games-difficult.png AM 32x32/actions/games-difficult.png AM 48x48/actions/games-difficult.png AM 64x64/actions/games-difficult.png A scalable/actions/games-difficult.svg ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/128x128/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/16x16/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/22x22/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/32x32/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/48x48/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/64x64/actions/games-difficult.png #property svn:mime-type + application/octet-stream ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 666151 by johann_ol: Made with the right inkscape this time M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M +1393 -188 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.svg M +1393 -188 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.svg M +1393 -188 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 666066 by johann_ol: improved ones M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.png M +6510 -1203 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-adpcm.svg M +6510 -1203 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-aiff.svg M +6509 -1202 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-wav.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

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So, I reworked the icon: "application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text" using what I feel are proper design methods. I attach PNG renderings of it. Please compare to the current PNG Oxygen icons in the same sizes.

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A Friday 18 May 2007 02:10:12, James Richard Tyrer escreveu: Man you talk a lot and and have no clue on what you say, have you any idea the amount of work we put in the icons? dude if you would bother to talk to us and not at us you would know that we use a 128px svg icon with a 4px grid and major grid off 8 px. But i gess you never wanted to know!

You don't understand. Details smaller than 1 pixel at 128x128 probably won't make any difference. Example: the row of holes in the ODF-text icon. These contain detail that is not rendered at all at 128x128 pixels. So, this detail is not needed. There is NO HiColor theme in KDE. Someone outlawed it. I do currently use my theme: UsrHiColor which you describe as prehistoric, but if Oxygen is just as easy to see, I will use it. Yes, I understand that you want something other than just grey lines in the larger sized. But that does not mean that the low contrast is acceptable. Nice that you care. I will work on this icon to illustrate some of the points that I have made in the past. It isn't enough to care about small sizes, you need to lay the SVG icons out on a 128x128 pixel grid just the same as if you were making a PNG, You have not done that. All major details should be on 8 pixel boundaries if possible and always on 4 pixel boundaries. If you make the icons this way, they will render better in smaller sizes and it will be easier to hand optimize them for small sizes. In general, even though you are using SVG, you should design the icons based not on how they look in InkScape, but rather on how they will render as PNGs in 48x48 and 32x32.

SVN commit 665285 by dmiller: updated calendar actions, made special versions of about-kde for 16x16 and 22x22 M 16x16/actions/1day.png M 16x16/actions/5days.png M 16x16/actions/7days.png M 16x16/actions/about-kde.png M 16x16/actions/calendar-today.png M 16x16/actions/list.png M 16x16/actions/month.png M 16x16/actions/todo.png M 16x16/actions/whatsnext.png M 16x16/actions/xdays.png M 22x22/actions/1day.png M 22x22/actions/5days.png M 22x22/actions/7days.png M 22x22/actions/about-kde.png M 22x22/actions/list.png M 22x22/actions/month.png M 22x22/actions/todo.png M 22x22/actions/whatsnext.png M 22x22/actions/xdays.png M 32x32/actions/1day.png M 32x32/actions/5days.png M 32x32/actions/7days.png M 32x32/actions/list.png M 32x32/actions/month.png M 32x32/actions/todo.png M 32x32/actions/whatsnext.png M 32x32/actions/xdays.png M +754 -3426 scalable/actions/1day.svg M +783 -3487 scalable/actions/5days.svg M +797 -3517 scalable/actions/7days.svg M +681 -3154 scalable/actions/list.svg M +911 -3864 scalable/actions/month.svg M +359 -656 scalable/actions/small/16x16/1day.svg M +388 -657 scalable/actions/small/16x16/5days.svg M +402 -657 scalable/actions/small/16x16/7days.svg A scalable/actions/small/16x16/about-kde.svg M +398 -1188 scalable/actions/small/16x16/calendar-today.svg M +271 -817 scalable/actions/small/16x16/list.svg M +463 -669 scalable/actions/small/16x16/month.svg M +219 -656 scalable/actions/small/16x16/todo.svg M +240 -818 scalable/actions/small/16x16/whatsnext.svg M +374 -657 scalable/actions/small/16x16/xdays.svg M +471 -622 scalable/actions/small/22x22/1day.svg M +500 -623 scalable/actions/small/22x22/5days.svg M +512 -624 scalable/actions/small/22x22/7days.svg A scalable/actions/small/22x22/about-kde.svg M +263 -467 scalable/actions/small/22x22/list.svg M +668 -634 scalable/actions/small/22x22/month.svg M +481 -554 scalable/actions/small/22x22/todo.svg M +260 -476 scalable/actions/small/22x22/whatsnext.svg M +484 -621 scalable/actions/small/22x22/xdays.svg M +1374 -3087 scalable/actions/todo.svg M +867 -3239 scalable/actions/whatsnext.svg M +769 -3457 scalable/actions/xdays.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 20:43, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto: detail is needed to make it look gorgeus, is that enough? if you don't need a gorgeous icon theme that's ok, but don't blame for ever. Aren't you going to use hi-color anyway? it would look nice and 512x512 if the goal was you being able to read the dumb text I wrote inside. But that's not the purpose. The goal is to make it look like real text. Getting sick of this discussion which is pointless, since we already told the world we care about small resolutions. David Vignoni, davidoxygen-icons.org OXYGEN icon theme director and designer ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Too much detail is detail that is not well rendered in even 128x128 pixel images. While it should be obvious that such detail is unneeded, the specific problem is that this makes the icon look fuzzy and reduces the contrast and spatial frequency information (acuity). Yes the large icons look nice at 512x512 pixels, but icons need to be designed to be viewed at the common sizes of 32x32 and 48x48 pixels. Some icons (for specific reasons) need to be hand optimized for those sizes. But, in general, Icons should be designed to look good at 32x32 and 48x48 if possible. They certainly should look good at 64x64 pixels

A Tuesday 15 May 2007 16:25:04, James Richard Tyrer escreveu: I must say that i dont get your point most of the times also! Nuno Pinheiro

SVN commit 665008 by vignoni: new version speech audio file M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.png M +1051 -839 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-speex+ogg.svg M +1053 -521 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-x-speex+ogg.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

hello david, i think better would be if the text would flow around the big red "L" and not let it going above the smaller text. just my two tents luci David Vignoni wrote: luci

SVN commit 664993 by vignoni: new version for lossless audio files M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 128x128/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 16x16/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 22x22/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 32x32/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 48x48/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.png AM 64x64/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.png M +432 -73 scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-flac.svg A scalable/mimetypes/audio-x-monkey.svg M +426 -285 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-x-flac.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-x-monkey.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 10:35, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto: this was not an insult, did I insulted you any way? Don't think I have used a bad language against you? Your icon was really old style and not compatible with the oxygen icon theme, I wanted to emphasize that. yes, it was me, the art director of the project for the icon part. Is this important regarding what are the issues here? In fact I think that the icon at >32x32 size *must* be detailed icons. I also said that the small icons will have special versions which are not done right now. For this reason you should talk about that issue only when you see the small icons when they will be availble. Current 16x16, 22x22 and 32x32 most are placeholders. James, reading the concerns Robert is explaining above, in which way do you think that icon you attached fix the pale colours he is talking about. Comparing your icon to the rest of the mimetypes, where everything has a more realistic look and feel, I may think this is a sheet with some lines drawed on it, because it doesn't look like real text. The "lines" as "text" approach is for small icons, like 16x16. I know I already told you many times there will be versions for the small sizes, but since you still reference the current placeholder icons, here you can see a new version of the text mimetype as complete set, inlcuding optimized 16x16 and 32x32 version: David Vignoni David Vignoni, davidoxygen-icons.org OXYGEN icon theme director and designer ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

This is a migrating discussion. It started on KDEArtist and moved over here. Don't know. The remark is on the other list. IIUC, it was from a major contributor. No, he thinks that there is nothing wrong with the highly detailed icons. The colors become pale as they are mixed with the background color. So, as a better illustration, I made a Oxygen style icon [attached] which is rendered in 64x64. Compare this with the 6x64 Oxygen from SVN. Note that even in 64x64 that this is blurred. The text in the actual Oxygen icon is black (000000) with 80% opacity which is actually darker than the lines representing text in my icon (9B9B9B). However, this 80% black is mixed with the background color and results in a lighter shade in the rasterized image. The smaller the size, the lighter it gets. I note that with the similar HiColor icons that I needed to make hand optimized PNGs for 48x48 and smaller to maintain the contrast.