Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 10:35, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto: this was not an insult, did I insulted you any way? Don't think I have used a bad language against you? Your icon was really old style and not compatible with the oxygen icon theme, I wanted to emphasize that. yes, it was me, the art director of the project for the icon part. Is this important regarding what are the issues here? In fact I think that the icon at >32x32 size *must* be detailed icons. I also said that the small icons will have special versions which are not done right now. For this reason you should talk about that issue only when you see the small icons when they will be availble. Current 16x16, 22x22 and 32x32 most are placeholders. James, reading the concerns Robert is explaining above, in which way do you think that icon you attached fix the pale colours he is talking about. Comparing your icon to the rest of the mimetypes, where everything has a more realistic look and feel, I may think this is a sheet with some lines drawed on it, because it doesn't look like real text. The "lines" as "text" approach is for small icons, like 16x16. I know I already told you many times there will be versions for the small sizes, but since you still reference the current placeholder icons, here you can see a new version of the text mimetype as complete set, inlcuding optimized 16x16 and 32x32 version: David Vignoni David Vignoni, davidoxygen-icons.org OXYGEN icon theme director and designer ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

This is a migrating discussion. It started on KDEArtist and moved over here. Don't know. The remark is on the other list. IIUC, it was from a major contributor. No, he thinks that there is nothing wrong with the highly detailed icons. The colors become pale as they are mixed with the background color. So, as a better illustration, I made a Oxygen style icon [attached] which is rendered in 64x64. Compare this with the 6x64 Oxygen from SVN. Note that even in 64x64 that this is blurred. The text in the actual Oxygen icon is black (000000) with 80% opacity which is actually darker than the lines representing text in my icon (9B9B9B). However, this 80% black is mixed with the background color and results in a lighter shade in the rasterized image. The smaller the size, the lighter it gets. I note that with the similar HiColor icons that I needed to make hand optimized PNGs for 48x48 and smaller to maintain the contrast.

SVN commit 664854 by vignoni: new version of midi mime M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 128x128/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 16x16/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 22x22/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 32x32/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 48x48/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-midi.png M 64x64/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.png M +3111 -2164 scalable/mimetypes/audio-midi.svg M +2490 -530 scalable/mimetypes/audio-prs.sid.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-midi.svg M +2176 -256 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/audio-prs.sid.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664444 by vignoni: new version M 128x128/mimetypes/info.png M 16x16/mimetypes/info.png M 22x22/mimetypes/info.png M 32x32/mimetypes/info.png M 48x48/mimetypes/info.png M 64x64/mimetypes/info.png M +473 -1160 scalable/mimetypes/info.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/info.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664442 by vignoni: fixing document sheet M 128x128/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 128x128/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.png M +202 -802 scalable/mimetypes/image-svg+xml-compressed.svg M +215 -171 scalable/mimetypes/image-svg+xml.svg M +688 -636 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/image-svg+xml-compressed.svg M +115 -66 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/image-svg+xml.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 664439 by vignoni: changing shadow M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M +73 -141 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.svg M +154 -121 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-deb.svg M +168 -57 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.svg M +85 -107 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg M +16 -15 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-tar.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663958 by vignoni: archives mime M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-deb.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-tar.png M +1411 -3876 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-compressed-tar.svg M +1294 -1274 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-deb.svg M +1224 -1263 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-java-archive.svg M +824 -688 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg M +1281 -3876 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-tar.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663865 by vignoni: new version rpm. showing the new "package" icon inside the sheet. M 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.png M +1210 -1280 scalable/mimetypes/application-x-rpm.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/application-x-rpm.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663289 by vignoni: new version M 128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.png M +2734 -322 scalable/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.svg A scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.formula.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663159 by dmiller: small versions M 16x16/devices/joystick.png M 22x22/devices/joystick.png A scalable/devices/small/16x16/joystick.svg A scalable/devices/small/22x22/joystick.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663153 by pinheiro: krita should have a mimetype :) AM 128x128/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 16x16/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 22x22/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 32x32/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 48x48/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png AM 64x64/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png A scalable/mimetypes/application-x-krita.svg ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/128x128/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/16x16/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/22x22/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/32x32/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/48x48/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ** trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/64x64/mimetypes/application-x-krita.png #property svn:mime-type + image/png ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663070 by pinheiro: new version trying in new prespective, source raster images like psd and gimp should use the normal paper, images that are mainly for viewing purposes in landscape mode M 128x128/mimetypes/image-png.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-png.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-png.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-png.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-png.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-png.png M +189 -26 scalable/mimetypes/image-png.svg --- trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/image-png.svg #663069:663070 -13,19 +13,40 height="128" id="svg2606" sodipodi:version="0.32" - inkscape:version="0.45" + inkscape:version="0.45.1" version="1.0" - sodipodi:docname="imagefold.svg" + sodipodi:docname="image-png.svg" inkscape:output_extension="org.inkscape.output.svg.inkscape" sodipodi:docbase="/home/pinheiro/pics/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes" - inkscape:export-filename="/home/pinheiro/pics/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/imagefold48.png" - inkscape:export-xdpi="33.75" - inkscape:export-ydpi="33.75" - sodipodi:modified="TRUE"> + inkscape:export-filename="/home/pinheiro/artwork/Oxygen/David/imagesharperflaped.png" + inkscape:export-xdpi="90" + inkscape:export-ydpi="90"> + + + + + -934,10 +955,12 xlink:href="#XMLID_8_" id="radialGradient9437" gradientUnits="userSpaceOnUse" - gradientTransform="matrix(1,0,0,0.9996653,2e-6,3.0160848e-3)" - cx="102" - cy="112.3047" - r="139.55859" /> + gradientTransform="matrix(1,0,0,0.9996653,-7.999998,16.003016)" + cx="114" + cy="95.028786" + r="139.55859" + fx="114" + fy="95.028786" /> -1345,6 +1368,132 y1="671.36499" x2="305.54623" y2="703.1059" /> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -1353,9 +1502,9 borderopacity="1.0" inkscape:pageopacity="0.0" inkscape:pageshadow="2" - inkscape:zoom="2" - inkscape:cx="-14.611589" - inkscape:cy="89.565306" + inkscape:zoom="1" + inkscape:cx="-126.82503" + inkscape:cy="44.445553" inkscape:document-units="px" inkscape:current-layer="layer1" width="128px" -1369,8 +1518,9 inkscape:guide-bbox="true" inkscape:window-width="1016" inkscape:window-height="692" - inkscape:window-x="178" - inkscape:window-y="378"> + inkscape:window-x="351" + inkscape:window-y="46" + showborder="true"> -1393,27 +1543,27 id="layer1"> + transform="matrix(1.0416667,0,0,1.0267857,-10.666667,14.785711)" /> + transform="matrix(0.9166667,0,0,0.9166667,-112.66667,13.33333)"> -1429,7 +1579,7 sodipodi:nodetypes="ccccccccccz" /> -1602,7 +1752,7 sodipodi:nodetypes="ccccc" /> -1767,20 +1917,33 id="path2408" sodipodi:nodetypes="ccc" /> + + id="g4960" + transform="translate(10,-6)"> + d="M 41.879531,115.98249 C 41.879531,115.98249 66.18914,91.672876 66.18914,91.672876 C 66.18914,91.672876 56.836,94.586 46.586,94.586 C 46.586,104.836 41.879531,115.98249 41.879531,115.98249 z " /> + + ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663063 by pinheiro: new version mostly d-millers work now we have 2 image types M 128x128/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 16x16/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 22x22/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 32x32/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 48x48/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M 64x64/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.png M +13588 -346 scalable/mimetypes/image-jpeg2000.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 663000 by dmiller: new joystick device icon AM 128x128/devices/joystick.png D 16x16/apps/kontact-journal.png M 16x16/devices/joystick.png M 22x22/devices/joystick.png M 32x32/devices/joystick.png M 48x48/devices/joystick.png M 64x64/devices/joystick.png M +1624 -1903 scalable/devices/joystick.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 662947 by pinheiro: new improved version and new app icon. AM 128x128/apps/kchart.png M 128x128/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png AM 16x16/apps/kchart.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png AM 22x22/apps/kchart.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png AM 32x32/apps/kchart.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png AM 48x48/apps/kchart.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png AM 64x64/apps/kchart.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.png A scalable/apps/kchart.svg A scalable/apps/small/16x16/kchart.svg A scalable/apps/small/22x22/kchart.svg M +3965 -344 scalable/mimetypes/application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.chart.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

To further plug my suggestion. This is true for most image formats. However, it isn't true for all image formats. For example, Jpeg2000 isn't supported by every app, so I need a separate icon for it. With word processor file formats, the situation is much less clear. I find that application do not handle all formats transparently so it is necessary to know which is which. But, yes, the use of generic classes of MIME icon is related to the ability of apps to transparently support all formats in a class. I don't think that we are there yet, so we need to give the user the option of using specific icons for some MIME types.

SVN commit 662542 by dmiller: bell actions for 16 and 22 M 16x16/actions/bell.png M 22x22/actions/bell.png A scalable/actions/small/16x16/bell.svg A scalable/actions/small/22x22/bell.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

SVN commit 662495 by vignoni: new version of encrypted file. M 128x128/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M 16x16/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M 22x22/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M 32x32/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M 48x48/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M 64x64/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.png M +561 -15653 scalable/mimetypes/application-pgp-encrypted.svg M +478 -13812 scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/application-pgp-encrypted.svg ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Amen. I've always dreamed of having one icon per file category, e.g. images. The actual mime doesn't matter as my apps are generally capable of handling them all transparently :) ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

Note that the Tango people have switched their icons from 24x24 to 22x22 "because KDE is using that", and consistency throughout the whole desktop was more important to them than keeping "their" standard size. (http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery) I vote for better communication. Regards, Jakob ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists