As I presume everyone knows, KDE uses 22x22 for "Medium" icons and the rest of the world (including GNOME) uses 24x24 icons. I would like to suggest that KDE 4.0 would be a good time to start transitioning to using 24x24 icons instead of 22x22. I realize that 22x22 is correct using a power function. However, we use 48x48 icons rather than 45x45. One of the major reasons for doing this is the conversion to SVG for icons. When a 128x128 pixel SVG image is rendered to 22x22, it is always going to render poorly while with 24x24 boundaries in the image on a 16 pixel grid will be pixel perfect. My suggestion is that we convert the code from 22x22 to 24x24. When an SVG is rendered, it would be rendered as 24x24 pixels. When searching for a 24x24 icon, the additional 2nd step of looking for a 22x22 icon would need to be added before the step of looking for other sizes to resize. 22x22 icons should not be resized to 24x24 but rather padded with a 1 pixel clear boarder. All new code should contain these padded icons. Also, Icon resizing can then be improved by choosing the best icon to resize. The resized icon should be made from one that is twice its size (16x16 would be best produced from 32x32 and 24x24 would be best produced from 48x48). For other cases SVG is probably the best choice although 4x icons could be used. The very specific point here is that the code should avoid making 24x24 icons by downsizing 32x32 icons.

A Monday 07 May 2007 18:59:45, Jaroslaw Staniek escreveu: its a good point we did not did those translations they were automaticly made in the naming transitional fase. will be there now :P

What is all of the stuff in the attached?

If you want a different font, please tell me the name of the font. There is no way to determine the font from an SVG file once the font has been converted to a path.

pinheiro said the following, On 2007-05-07 09:37: the content of the mime and not its actual usage, if possible i think that the mimes should refelect the usage they have rader than the content, this as many other things has icon goes is not a exact science, some times mimetypes are based on the actual "code content" they have couse of historical resons or couse its sooo obvius. was based on thet that i said that "a," is not a god idea, couse i had litle idea what it ment, and the ideas that poped out in my head were about pause (purly random stupid thoughti know). if possible i would like to try to do some visulal representation of what the user gets if he double press the icon and open it on the defoult program for it. Nuno, For me it is a little bit too hard to follow your tough here. 1. You admit you do not know CSV at all, so chances are any metaphor for CSV would be unfamiliar to you. If I am wrong, see 3. below. 2. 99.9% users that know what CSV and use it on other OSes already _have_ "a," icon installed on the OS. 3. You did not provide alternatives. The current "text-like" icons is inferior to the proposal. Do you agree here? It refers to far lower-level content, what is against your rule you described about about not reflecting the content but meaning. "a," is about meaning to a large extent. If you like comparisons, take a look at Oxygen's music-related mimetypes: they all use green "note" metaphor, i.e. a music symbol (for notation), just like "a," is a symbol of comma-separation. If you have no alternatives, I'd like to propose assumming most of use agree "a," is best metaphor we can have now and we cam move on to other tasks. Thanks! Regarding "double pressing the icon and opening it on the default program for it" - note that CSV is not an app's mimetype but rather an exchange format just like a dump of a clipboard contents (it's very often the case) or like an exported portion of a spreadsheet. Therefore default application would be a spreadsheet if an office suite is installed. Visual representation therefore is tabular, as I said before. Feel free to meet me on #koffice or #kde-artists to get more info.

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Should icons be committed as SVG or SVGZ (compressed with GZip)?

The purpose of having different icons for different MIME types is so that the user can identify the MIME type at a glance. I think that it depends on how the user works whether or not this is important to them. I like to be able to tell different MIME types in the same generic class apart, I presume that to some users that it doesn't matter, or they might even want all word processor documents to have the same MIME type icon. I have consistently suggested that the answer to the generic type vs. individual MIME type issue is to support both. How to support both is not an artist' issue -- we only need to make all the needed icons.

pinheiro said the following, On 2007-05-05 23:00: "a," is the most used metaphor, widely known among people that use such files. You can type "csv icon" in google image search to see that. I don't know what's dubiuous here except you seem to know less about this particular mimetype :) The easiest way for you would be to read the wikipedia article I mentioned before. If not, in short: the CSV file format can be opened by a spreadsheet app or database app (like Kexi) and many other apps that use or accept tabular data, i.e. rows and columns of texts or numbers. The most important property or differentiator of CSV format is that it has a series of data, defined by commas. Hence, "a," in the icon is data+comma(s) what exactly means CSV. If you have more energy to further play with the artistic vision -- "a,b," or other variations are possible.

James Richard Tyrer said the following, On 2007-05-06 03:07: Let me clarify this; 1. Pinheiro, I think JRT's icon is a good 1st step, except the font (that could stay as it is or be changed to anything is Oxygen's default, e.g. like in 'java' icon). Regarding : just tell what is your experience or vision re the CSV mime type. 2. JRT, any requests I have put here are not about "give me an icon now" but rather "there is missing icon A, or icon A is not too well discoverable for users, let's have them in Oxygen". Regarding the font, please read 1. HTH

James Richard Tyrer said the following, On 2007-05-06 21:04: Regarding the icon you attached: what's the benefit of having another variant of spreadsheet icon to the end-user? For many people it is hard to discover the icon contains a GNOME's gnumeric icon inside. To discover the application that has created the file, user can read an i18n'd type name, e.g. in Dolphin file manager.

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Why isn't it Oxygen? JS specifically asked for that -- for "a,". Therefore, that is what I made for him as a sample. He seemed to like it. If you want to use the attached, I am willing to consider a request.

A Sunday 06 May 2007 00:26:46, James Richard Tyrer escreveu: I said the oxygen team would do the oxygen mime type, no problem, the one you shown passing has oxygen is not oxygen at all. "a," is a very bad way to do a mime if you ask me, but you dont, in fact it seams the only with political problems as you put it was you. ______________________________________________________________________________ kde-artistskde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists

I seem to have a political issue here. 'pinheiro' said that the Oxygen group would do the icon. I don't know why he takes that attitude, He appears to think that I am encroaching on his territory. :-( but that is what he said. However, if you would like a set of HiColor icons, I would be happy to make them for you. You would have to install them as private icons for KOffice since I am not allowed to install HiColor icons in KDE. Actually, I made these to illustrate why I, and others, feel that the upper right corner should be the one which is folded. As is quite apparent, there are valid reasons for this and it isn't just an arbitrary choice. Sorry to burden you with political considerations. I'm not really very happy about them either. The type face used is Times New Roman PS which I think is a very common font. Note that with fonts, the outline isn't copyrighted, only the name is copyrighted, so once it is converted to an outline, the copyright no longer applies.

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Nice work! I guess the first icon would fit to the style; Random notes: - how about decreasing the font size to unhide the comma? - is there a common family for fonts defined, e.g. the same as one used in 'source-java'? If so we could use it for the csv icon, just for consistency.